What I Know
What I know now I wish I knew when I was getting started in the music business by Chuck Prophet Tuesday, 27 October 2009
(new album Let Freedom Ring! on October 27, 2009 via Yep Roc Records. )
I wished I'd have guzzled lots less alcohol and fucked lots more. I sort of wish I hadnt bitch-slapped a promoter who cheated me. But what good would the crystal ball have done? The journey is the destination as they say.
Try not to take yourself too seriously. Try not to be terribly precious -- but it doesn't hurt to be obsessive and dogged. To have some inner drive to get it right.
"Take the time to get things right." Ike Turner taught me that.
I was always a big Ike Turner fan. Especially his obscure solo records from the 70's. In 1990, I saw an Ike Turner Soul Revue gig in San Francisco at the Last Day Saloon. There couldn't have been more than 20 people there. It was gloriously unorganized. Ike and his band played Proud Mary like five times and then left the stage. Ike came out for the encore by himself and sang Alice Cooper's Only Women Bleed at the Fender Rhodes. It was perverse, but oddly moving.
Odd. Moving. Cool.
We chatted him up, told him we were fans, musicians ourselves. Ike autographed a record for my friend Stephen Yerkey; he wrote: "Dear Steve, Always take the time to get the right people. Comeback next time, it will be much better. Sincerely, Ike."
Seriously, it's hard to say what I wished Id known then... One thing that occurs to me is that I feel sorry for kids today with crappy MP3's. When I was a kid I really had to seek things out. I had to seek out the music and find a culture weird enough for me to identify with. And most of that came from listening to records. It really opened up my world. And the literature and films and all that came with it
It was the records that pointed me in those directions. From the Clash through The Sugarhill Gang, to Joe Ely to Townes. From Ry Cooder to Wim Winders through the German Expressionist filmmakers... and Dylan to Woody Guthrie, to the Stones and Robert Johnson Petty to JJ Cale, and on and on through world history.
I come from a fairly conservative, non-musical family. I begged for guitar lessons, got golf lessons instead. I just don't think there's much of anything dangerous about dropping out and joining a band these days. But if it's fun, then I suppose it's as relevant as ever.
What to look for / watch out for in managers, attorneys, band members
You mean like, ask for five references and call the last one first? Heck, I don't know anything. You can hire lawyers and managers and all manner of sleazy ten per-centers/experts to help you navigate these decisions, but ultimately nobody else knows anything either. And even the ones that do are full of BS one third of the time.
It's true. Better yet, maybe just find someone you trust. If you have someone who's a true believer in your corner, that's worth more than an army of so-called experts. You have to have blind belief in what you're doing. Making a decent record is a lot like coaching high school football. You've got to be smart enough to do it and dumb enough to think it matters. It does matter. And it's the music that fuels the business, if there's any business at all to be had.
As daft as that sounds, I really believe it's true. Try not to be an asshole. But it doesnt hurt to have an asshole friend or two whos willing to shake things up for you. When people around me begin a statement or request or whatever with "In the future," my guts churn. I guess the best advice I can give is to listen to from within. Shit, thats what the Quakers do and they won the Nobel Peace Prize. If it doesn't feel right, it's probably not.
No man is an eyelid, and as much as everyone would like to cut out the middle man, there's nothing like the power of a gang; in guys that have your back. So surround yourself with cool people. There's the writing, and the recording and the live show to think about. Fact is, you'll end up getting in bed with some good people and you'll ending up getting in bed with some people youll come to find you dont want to wake up next to. And really, it's hard to tell until you're in the heat of battle who's got your back and who doesn't. So, in order to get your music out there, just fucking do it.
I've done both, woken up in both of those beds. But ultimately it's about the music. Every great musician has some bad decisions in his past. Don't get too tangled up in the business side of things. Who wants to be in a band to listen to a cash register? Wait: dont answer that one.
You need much more than a good lawyer. You'll need luck. You'll need lightning. Then you can pay a lawyer to give you his opinion if it makes you feel better. If you can stay awake.
Just pay attention to the lightning.
And listen for the thunder.
The advantages or negative impact of technology on the business
MP3's are crappy sounding. That's a fact. Vinyl has always sounded better. But I try not to get too hung up on how the music is delivered into my psyche. It's easy to forget that it's all about the song, the mystery, the magic in the grooves. That X factor that makes you return to a record and not just put it up on the shelf after one listen.
That's the dope that you want. It's the dope that's important. It's not the needle. If you got to have it, you just got to have it. On cassette, vinyl, CD or whatever. If you need to hear Dusty Springfield singing The Look of Love ,you'll seek it out.
And itll echo forever.
Advice you would give your favorite independent artist or band
Dont eat the brown acid was the lesson from Woodstock, right?
It helps to be a fan. Learn other songs. Learn them, then unlearn them. Substitute your own life, your own absurd observations, your own point of view or lunacy into the frame.
Everyone needs to work to get by. Try to get a job where you have some isolation to think. The best job I ever had was parking cars. I once had a job parking cars at KMEL radio station in San Francisco, "America's Most Hip Hop" radio station. After I'd climb in behind the wheel, out of boredom more than anything else, I'd routinely root around the cars contents. Don't know what I was looking for. I swear I never took anything more than an Altoid mint (or two). But I loved that job, it afforded me: I had a lot of time to think about songs and scheming and plotting new records. It was actually a very happy time for me. And the structure was healthy. Or so I think.
Step away from the computer. If you're to inspire people, you'll need inspiration. Inspiration is in everything, in everyone. Take the time out to visit the odd Hunting Lodge. The more taxidermied animals on the walls, the better. Also, find a guitar that stays in tune. If you can't, find a guitar you love and play it every day. You'll get to know it. And you'll get it to behave and do things for you after a while. Get intimate with its personality.
I still play the same 1984 Fender Squire Telecaster that Green On Red bought me when I joined them. Yeah, yeah, yeah: I know there's some kind of irrational attachment going on. I own others, but I've never played any other guitar than the Squire on a gig. Not sure why, maybe because it knows all the songs and I don't. Like Excalibur's Sword, it gives me power; or like that lucky pen -- when I play it everything just flows through me. If just everybody had one of these things, I'd probably still be folding underwear at Nordstrom's.
But really, I can't stress this enough: Seek out your own culture and your own music.
Seek things out.
Once, in a studio in Scottsdale, I ran into Lee Hazlewood. He was working in an adjacent room producing demos for a local New Country singer and he'd assembled a group of housewife vocalists out of the union book to sing a background part imitating a train whistle ("Whoo whoo"). One woman turned to me and asked, "Is this some kind of joke?"
"Is this guy for real?"
Yeah, he was. Lee seemed to enjoy holding court for us, he gushed enthusiastically over Bobby McFerrin's Don't Worry, Be Happy (a big hit at the time) and told us, "Gram Parsons would have shot watermelon seeds if he thought it'd get him high."
Years later, Nancy and Lee did a reunion tour and Lee refused to give any interviews. But man, he spilled it that day around the water cooler. I still have the business card he gave me in the top drawer of my desk.
I'm a fan first. For me, every time I make a new record, it's the same process. I assemble of group of talented, intense, difficult people. Many of whom I've work with before and a few I'll probably never work with again. And pray we can capture lightening bugs in the rain.
Hope the gods smile down on us. Cause you need all the help you can get.
Never quit being a fan. I don't really have any advice for my favorite artists. Theyre more like teachers to me. And never quit learning even if you have to unlearn everything first.
The value of music and musicians
Oscar Wilde wrote All art is useless. And Oscar Wilde was a fine artist. Its okay to believe both. Musics art. After all, Andy Warhol said this, Youre getting people to spend money on something they dont need. Think about that. Youll need a little hustler in you.
I mean, if you can entertain yourself then there's value. And if you're having fun doing it, that's
something too. I'm not totally behind the everything-should-be-free theory. I mean, if I really wanted to put that to the test I'd move into Chris Anderson's house. There's really no value. Theres a point between every other point, isnt that what they teach you in school? Infinite. But does that mean you cant walk home from school?
I know that in recent years there's been an increase in well-adjusted musicians out there. Fuck, even I might have become one of them. But I'm not sure that returning every e-mail or MySpace message makes anyone more interesting. And as much as I love the freedom the internet provides, I do miss mono-analog-vinyl culture. I like it when records bring people together. And I do agree with Robert Christgau when he says that people generally do a better job if theyre
getting paid. These days, I see journalism really taking a rabbit punch and that's sad.
I never really thought of music as a vocation. In fact, I don't have a job. I'm not sure I'm actually making a living. So what do I know?
Just listen to what your guitar is telling you. Unlearn your songs. Then learn them again.
And watch for the lightning. Itll come.
Come back next time, itll be much better. Sincerely, Chuck.
Chuck Prophet
Autumn 2009, on the road somewhere in England
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Friday, 30 October 2009
This is awesome!! It is also inspirational! After 17 years hiatus from music, I have once again caught the fever and, at age 46, am virtually starting over. But, I think you have nailed it, Mr. Prophet! Your words have given me some inspiration and motivation, but most of all hope! I pretty much have forgotten everything and am presently re-learning. However, this may be my last stand, so I wanna make it the best. I wanna go past cover band status and be known for the stuff I have written, or co-written with/for my band. You have really made sense to me with this article and made me realize that I was maybe right all along! The problem was, I believed too many nay-sayers. Quoth me: "Nevermore!".
Thank you sir, for providing your insight and wisdom on matters that have been very pertinent to me this past year. I am going to pass your article along to my musical writing partner and others I know that could really use a positive kick in the ass!!
What really pushed the whole thing home is my appreciation of your music. However, even if I wasn't a fan, there is so much truth in your writing, it could achieve nothing but inspiration to anyone in a similar position to mine.
Thank you!
Thank you sir, for providing your insight and wisdom on matters that have been very pertinent to me this past year. I am going to pass your article along to my musical writing partner and others I know that could really use a positive kick in the ass!!
What really pushed the whole thing home is my appreciation of your music. However, even if I wasn't a fan, there is so much truth in your writing, it could achieve nothing but inspiration to anyone in a similar position to mine.
Thank you!
Friday, 30 October 2009
I should point out that I stole the fucking vs. drinking line from Brink's own D. Stuart. It's not like it don't apply.
Friday, 30 October 2009
I've been trying to figure this out for a long time: are you real? For one thing, that's a pretty weird picture, and I'm guessing that you might be sort of like a flea circus. Because for your information there aren't really any fleas in a flea circus. It's just magic, not bugs.
But my wife told me to go here:
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/review/114781-chuck-propet-let- freedom-ring/
Andit does sort of look like you're real. If you're as good as this person says you are will you teach me, quick-like,I mean, how to play guitar? I'm just not so sure you aren't just a joke these Brink people are playing on me. They would do that, I think.
But my wife told me to go here:
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/review/114781-chuck-propet-let- freedom-ring/
Andit does sort of look like you're real. If you're as good as this person says you are will you teach me, quick-like,I mean, how to play guitar? I'm just not so sure you aren't just a joke these Brink people are playing on me. They would do that, I think.
Friday, 30 October 2009
Chuck, Well put.
It took me 63 years to figure out that I am the only one I can trust to run my career. I'm not in the music business but I have seen the same problems in my business. Every time I'm flying high and making it work the mooches come out of the woodwork and I always let them in. Next thing you know the moneys gone and I'm screwed. Now I'm a one man show. I do the buying, the selling and handle all the money and decisions myself. No more problems. Well at least those problems.
I sadly watched Bill Herzog, a talented musician in my opinion, have to sell t-shirts to make a living, but his heart was on the stage. He lit up when he performed and you could see that was where he belonged. But he couldn't make it work, most can't. You are a lucky guy but I have a feeling you made your own luck and fought a hell of a battle to get there. Keep it up buddy.
It took me 63 years to figure out that I am the only one I can trust to run my career. I'm not in the music business but I have seen the same problems in my business. Every time I'm flying high and making it work the mooches come out of the woodwork and I always let them in. Next thing you know the moneys gone and I'm screwed. Now I'm a one man show. I do the buying, the selling and handle all the money and decisions myself. No more problems. Well at least those problems.
I sadly watched Bill Herzog, a talented musician in my opinion, have to sell t-shirts to make a living, but his heart was on the stage. He lit up when he performed and you could see that was where he belonged. But he couldn't make it work, most can't. You are a lucky guy but I have a feeling you made your own luck and fought a hell of a battle to get there. Keep it up buddy.
Friday, 30 October 2009
Chuck was on the road somewhere when I called to tell him about Zog's death. He took it pretty hard. Deena says he could tear Chuck's "New Year's Day" all the way -up-. I'm sorry I never had the chance to hear Bill do it.
Saturday, 31 October 2009
I remember something that Donovan said a long time ago in a radio interview. He said that music has a way of getting made by the people that need to make it, and getting out to the people that need to hear it. He was between labels, had some new songs with no one to press them into vinyl yet, but he had that blind belief mentioned here not only in music in general, but in himself as still being a part of it. Later that night, sitting on a big velvet pillow with a big Guild 12-string he shared some of those songs and told us stories and I think he still really liked playing Sunshine Superman.
I can't tell you how many times I've been in the middle of something else and a song comes through some speakers that makes me stop dead in my tracks. I heard Outrageous Cherry's "Pail, Frail, Lovely One" just barely coming in between the hills out by Fontana. That song got me through a real rough month.
Same with The Hurting Business. I was working the nightshift when I heard "Apology" on the Bonnie Simmons show. Here was a guy that sounded just as tired as me but was still cracking jokes and playing some cool baritone guitar to make it all go down easy. I remember sitting at my desk with a pen and legal pad waiting for Bonnie to tell me who that guy was.
Making music will always be a hobby for me. Like Josie Wales said "A man has got to know his limitations." I used to work with a young guy that loved football. He played some college ball, still worked out and played on weekends with other like minded guys. He actually tried out for the Cowboys as a walk on a few years ago. Those pros fucked him up bad.
I can't tell you how many times I've been in the middle of something else and a song comes through some speakers that makes me stop dead in my tracks. I heard Outrageous Cherry's "Pail, Frail, Lovely One" just barely coming in between the hills out by Fontana. That song got me through a real rough month.
Same with The Hurting Business. I was working the nightshift when I heard "Apology" on the Bonnie Simmons show. Here was a guy that sounded just as tired as me but was still cracking jokes and playing some cool baritone guitar to make it all go down easy. I remember sitting at my desk with a pen and legal pad waiting for Bonnie to tell me who that guy was.
Making music will always be a hobby for me. Like Josie Wales said "A man has got to know his limitations." I used to work with a young guy that loved football. He played some college ball, still worked out and played on weekends with other like minded guys. He actually tried out for the Cowboys as a walk on a few years ago. Those pros fucked him up bad.
Saturday, 31 October 2009
Reno, you fucktard, it's a misty and gloomy Hallowe'en and it's my 56th birthday, and here you've got me staring out the door of my office looking at the sadness of the end of this year's garden and musing about sports and rock and roll. Quite a gift, you vicious bastard. (I'm also wondering why squirrels never get wet, so I might haul one of my son's .177s off the wall and shoot a couple to see if I can figure out while this fog doesn't stick to them. And maybe fry 'em up for lunch. I know they're actually rats, but they make a pretty fine purlou served over rice, drenched in Crystal hot sauce.
Now playing: a disc I made many years ago called Zimmiams, alternating Dylan and Hank Williams tracks, mostly rarities. It _rules_. And you're dead on with 'The Hurting Business': if I could only own one of Chuck Prophet's records, that'd be that one (if of course, he actually existed, which I doubt). The title comes from a particularly pithy Mike Tyson quote -- and if I wait long enough, Dylan's going to be singing 'Who Killed Davey Moore?' on my homemade disc.
When sports turn up in rock and roll records, the result is almost always a gripping song. I don't know why that is, but it certainly seems that way to me. Chuck knows boxing surprisingly well. He's quoting Iron Mike on 'Hurting' and his opening mean-ass/gentle salvo on 'Let Feedom Ring!' is 'Sonny Liston's Blues. Dylan gets around to Sugar Ramos, Hurricane Carter, and -- by extension -- to Dick Tiger. Zevon had his Boom Boom Mancini and baseball's perfect loon in Bill Lee.
Sports and rock and roll are inevitably intertwined -- plaited in my life. The first two lines of 'American Man' are, I think, perfect: "American man/up on the mound..."
Dylan's song about Davey Moore's death in the ring was a rather dismissive response to Phil Och's condemnation of boxing. As a fan, and, later as a boxer, I was confused and offended. I did it because I liked it and was proud of it. The pitifully fw dollars I made were probably the sweetest greenbacks I ever earned.
I've got an old bootleg of Dylan introducing the song (maybe at The Prince AlbertHall in a command performance) saying:
"This a song about a boxer...
It's got nothing to do with boxing, it's just a song about a boxer really.
And, uh, it's not even having to do with a boxer, really.
It's got nothing to do with nothing.
But I fit all these words together...
that's all...
It's taken directly from the newspapers,
Nothing's been changed...
Except for the words."
Pure and perfect Dylan.
And even that rude little weasel Paul Simon cranked out his best work ever with "The Boxer."
Going to keep staring into the mist. Thanks for posting this Brian. A fine, albeit unintended, birthday gift.
Now playing: a disc I made many years ago called Zimmiams, alternating Dylan and Hank Williams tracks, mostly rarities. It _rules_. And you're dead on with 'The Hurting Business': if I could only own one of Chuck Prophet's records, that'd be that one (if of course, he actually existed, which I doubt). The title comes from a particularly pithy Mike Tyson quote -- and if I wait long enough, Dylan's going to be singing 'Who Killed Davey Moore?' on my homemade disc.
When sports turn up in rock and roll records, the result is almost always a gripping song. I don't know why that is, but it certainly seems that way to me. Chuck knows boxing surprisingly well. He's quoting Iron Mike on 'Hurting' and his opening mean-ass/gentle salvo on 'Let Feedom Ring!' is 'Sonny Liston's Blues. Dylan gets around to Sugar Ramos, Hurricane Carter, and -- by extension -- to Dick Tiger. Zevon had his Boom Boom Mancini and baseball's perfect loon in Bill Lee.
Sports and rock and roll are inevitably intertwined -- plaited in my life. The first two lines of 'American Man' are, I think, perfect: "American man/up on the mound..."
Dylan's song about Davey Moore's death in the ring was a rather dismissive response to Phil Och's condemnation of boxing. As a fan, and, later as a boxer, I was confused and offended. I did it because I liked it and was proud of it. The pitifully fw dollars I made were probably the sweetest greenbacks I ever earned.
I've got an old bootleg of Dylan introducing the song (maybe at The Prince AlbertHall in a command performance) saying:
"This a song about a boxer...
It's got nothing to do with boxing, it's just a song about a boxer really.
And, uh, it's not even having to do with a boxer, really.
It's got nothing to do with nothing.
But I fit all these words together...
that's all...
It's taken directly from the newspapers,
Nothing's been changed...
Except for the words."
Pure and perfect Dylan.
And even that rude little weasel Paul Simon cranked out his best work ever with "The Boxer."
Going to keep staring into the mist. Thanks for posting this Brian. A fine, albeit unintended, birthday gift.
Sunday, 01 November 2009
Reno, you fucktard, it's a misty foggy Saturday and it's Hallow'een, which means it's my 56th birthday and you've got me sitting in my office musing about sports and music and how deeply intertwined -- plaited -- they are in my life. Smoking cigarettes, staring out at the remains of my garden and wondering why squirrels never sem to get wet. Maybe I'll take one of my sons .177s off the wall and shoot a couple of them and eat 'em for lunch. I'm listening to a compilation disc I made years ago when I first had the ability to burn discs (yes, I was the first on my block to buy a burner). I called it Zimmiams. It's alternating Dylan and Hank Williams tracks and it _rules_.
'The Hurting Business' is the one I'd own if I could have only one of his records. If, of course, Chuck Prophet actually existed, which he probably does not. Chuck knows boxing pretty well. The title track from 'The Hurting Business' came from a particularly pithy Mike Tyson quote. And 'Sonny Liston's Blues' is the opening mean-ass/gentle salvo on 'Let Freedom Ring.' LeBron James turns up on 'Barely Exist' and the first two lines of 'American Man' are '"American man/up on the mound..."
Sports turn up in inevitably fine rock and roll songs. Hard to say why, but I'm very grateful for it. Dylan's Davey Moore (and by extention, Dick Tiger, Benny 'Kid' Paret, whom Emile Griffith beat to death in the ring). It's often a brutal sport, but it doesn't have to be that way. I can only remember ever truly hitting a guy hard -- all through the fight -- once, and I was just pissed off at something else. And I cut him deliberately. It's easy to do: you use the seams. And I've been ashamed of that night ever since.
Zevon's Boom-Boom Mancini, and spaceman Bill Lee. Even that snotty midget Paul Simon came up with (to me) his finest ever composition with "The Boxer."
I have an ancient vinyl bootleg of Dylan introducing "Davey Moore" from a show (maybe that command performance at The Albert Hall) where he obliquely -- imagine that! -- to Phil Ochs' very adamant anti-boxing stance. He says:
"This a song about a boxer...
It's got nothing to do with boxing, it's just a song about a boxer really.
And, uh, it's not even having to do with a boxer, really.
It's got nothing to do with nothing.
But I fit all these words together...
that's all...
It's taken directly from the newspapers,
Nothing's been changed...
Except for the words."
One I can do real ultra good, one I can't do at all, but I sure do know a bunch about them both, and I can tell you this: rock and roll _is_ boxing. It's beautiful and savage, tender and ferocious.
Thanks, Reno.
'The Hurting Business' is the one I'd own if I could have only one of his records. If, of course, Chuck Prophet actually existed, which he probably does not. Chuck knows boxing pretty well. The title track from 'The Hurting Business' came from a particularly pithy Mike Tyson quote. And 'Sonny Liston's Blues' is the opening mean-ass/gentle salvo on 'Let Freedom Ring.' LeBron James turns up on 'Barely Exist' and the first two lines of 'American Man' are '"American man/up on the mound..."
Sports turn up in inevitably fine rock and roll songs. Hard to say why, but I'm very grateful for it. Dylan's Davey Moore (and by extention, Dick Tiger, Benny 'Kid' Paret, whom Emile Griffith beat to death in the ring). It's often a brutal sport, but it doesn't have to be that way. I can only remember ever truly hitting a guy hard -- all through the fight -- once, and I was just pissed off at something else. And I cut him deliberately. It's easy to do: you use the seams. And I've been ashamed of that night ever since.
Zevon's Boom-Boom Mancini, and spaceman Bill Lee. Even that snotty midget Paul Simon came up with (to me) his finest ever composition with "The Boxer."
I have an ancient vinyl bootleg of Dylan introducing "Davey Moore" from a show (maybe that command performance at The Albert Hall) where he obliquely -- imagine that! -- to Phil Ochs' very adamant anti-boxing stance. He says:
"This a song about a boxer...
It's got nothing to do with boxing, it's just a song about a boxer really.
And, uh, it's not even having to do with a boxer, really.
It's got nothing to do with nothing.
But I fit all these words together...
that's all...
It's taken directly from the newspapers,
Nothing's been changed...
Except for the words."
One I can do real ultra good, one I can't do at all, but I sure do know a bunch about them both, and I can tell you this: rock and roll _is_ boxing. It's beautiful and savage, tender and ferocious.
Thanks, Reno.
Sunday, 01 November 2009
I embarass myself in ever more inventive fashions. I thought I had lost the first version into the ether, so I re-wrote it from memory and posted. Uh oh. The first version was already there. But at least the facts jive. The second one is better.
I should be flogged.
Sunday, 01 November 2009
Hey Guy to use another sports analogy you're on of those guys we start walking backwards for when you step up the plate. Sometimes it's outta there! and other times...we'll shit you just have to love a guy that swings that hard. Let Freedom Ring! came in the mail yesterday on your birthday. We moved way back for that one too.
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